"Dracula Is Dead ", The real Romania we experienced - An exclusive interview for members of Strada32 offered by Mr. Ambassador Jim Rosapepe and Mrs. Sheilah Kast

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Mirela Ciucur

Mirela Ciucur

Your term in Romania started at a very important moment, when the country dynamic was at its peak during the transition times. There were many observers wondering why Romania evolved so differently in terms of economic and social reform, compared to its neighbors. In your opinion, what were the defining ingredients that set us apart from the rest of Eastern Europe? 

Compared to Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic, was Romania’s standard of living in the late 1990's low? Yes. Were there still too many abandoned children living in large institutions? Yes. Was there too much corruption and too little privatization? Yes. Did Romania have too many xenophobic demagogues in politics and the media? Yes. But did all that mean Romania was not headed toward becoming a prosperous, modern, European democracy? Definitely not. 

Analysts tend to overestimate policy and underestimate history, geography, religion, and mentality. The nations of Eastern Europe have some similarities—in particular, about a half-century of Communist rule. But the differences are not trivial. 

Consider two examples at the extreme. Poland is large and borders Germany, and has a large American diaspora, a strong Roman Catholic Church (with one of its own recently in charge of the Vatican), tiny ethnic minorities, and a tradition of private enterprise that survived Communism. After 1989, all those factors made it more accessible, and more attractive, to Western investment, as well as to Western ideas. Moldova, on the other hand, is small, and squeezed between Ukraine and Romania. It has a tiny Western diaspora, the remnants of a Stalinist economy, a struggle for identity between its Russian and Romanian histories, and Russian troops still occupying part of the country. 

Sound monetary and fiscal policy, structural reform, and the rule of law certainly improved conditions in both countries. But measuring both countries against the same narrow policy model misses most of what was difficult, and important, in their transitions. Moldova, with its potential agricultural wealth and well-educated people, will never border Germany and will never have a large American diaspora. For the foreseeable future, it will have to manage both its identity issues and its relationships with Russia and Romania. To be successful, its strategy will have to be significantly different from Poland’s. 

Or consider Hungary. One of its greatest accomplishments since 1989 was attracting foreign investment. Part of the reason it did so was policy. Part was its strong diaspora—in the United States, George Soros and the late U.S. Representative Tom Lantos come to mind. But it was not irrelevant that most of that investment was in western Hungary, essentially in the suburbs of Vienna. Geography counts. 

Before 1989, all of Romania’s neighbors, including the Soviet Union, were Communist countries. Since then, three of its immediate neighbors—Ukraine, Moldova, and Yugoslavia—have had bigger economic and political problems than Romania. Only one—Hungary—was more prosperous or was an earlier addition to NATO and the EU. Not entirely coincidentally, the most prosperous, Western-oriented region of Romania borders Hungary. 

From an economic perspective, Romania started the “race” in 1989 in a deeper hole than countries such as Poland and Hungary. Ceauşescu had imposed a Stalinist economy of no private enterprise and mammoth, energy-inefficient industrial plants long after that strategy had been abandoned in most of Eastern Europe, when Poland and Hungary had stopped most of their Stalinist economic policies and were opening themselves up to market forces. Thus, some of the biggest economic divergence came a decade or more before the fall of the Berlin Wall. History didn’t start in 1989. 

Politically, Romania emerged from a far more repressive Communist regime than most of the other countries of Eastern Europe. Without the embrace of a major Western diaspora, church, or neighboring nation, outside interest was episodic at best. Compounding these problems was the fact that, in the first six years after Ceauşescu’s overthrow, former Communist reformers, not anti-Communists, governed Romania. This was very different from the experience of all other Eastern European countries, except the former Yugoslavia. From Estonia to Bulgaria, anti-Communist forces came to power for at least a short time in the early 1990s. Not in Romania, where the break with the past was not as sharp. The result in Romania was more stability, but slower adjustment to Western democratic standards and market economic forces. 

One of the results was that many of the pre-1989 political and economic powerbrokers consolidated their positions and effectively resisted change longer than many expected. A remarkable amount of downsizing was done during this period, much more than is generally recognized, but real competition developed slowly. As late as 1998, state banks still controlled most banking assets, and for too much of the period, they were used to promote special business and political interests. Today, modern, primarily Western European banks control most of the Romanian banking market—for better or for worse. 

None of this is to argue that Romania’s problems were so deep they could not be overcome—in fact, quite the reverse. Communism did more damage to Romania’s political, economic, and social fabric than it did to many countries, and Romania has not yet climbed past some of the countries that were on a higher plane in 1989. But given the depths to which it had been driven, Romania may well have risen farther and faster than some of the others. 

We are not implying that Romania’s future is largely out of the control of its own people—that geography, history, and similar factors will determine its fate. The point is rather that Romania has made remarkable progress given the difficulties it has faced. A free press, a democratic political system, peaceful relations with its neighbors and among ethnic groups, and an economy that grew rapidly in a prosperous world economy before 2009—these are not accomplishments to be ignored. Romanians have every reason to be confident that continuing progress can and will be made, and that advances, from better health care to more job opportunities, need not wait until Romania gets courts as independent as California’s, or government as honest as Wisconsin’s.

A country with Roman origins, consequently a great mix of people, with Balkan flavor in the South, and German and Hungarian influence in Transylvania, a very strong royal impact during the 30s that still leaves a touch inside its castles while most part of the country is still rustic. How do you think we can best capitalize this eclectic cultural landscape to sell ourselves to the world?

All these elements are part of why we argue in Dracula Is Dead that Romania is the new Italy – A Latin country, with Roman ruins, government corruption, world-class creativity, a zest for life, and vivacious, attractive people.

That blend of influences you describe – German and Austrian in the north, Mediterranean in the south – we see that also in Italy.  Warm welcomes and vibrant hospitality – Americans associate that with Italy, but we found it just as true in Romania.  Impressive creativity, advancement of the arts and appreciation of them – another parallel with Italy.

But many Romanians may not recognize the economic implications of these characteristics.  Italy's dictator put it on the wrong side of history during World II.  Flat on its back economically at the end of the war, it summarily executed its dictator and set about rebuilding itself.  It now ranks as the seventh-largest economy in the world.

Romania has similar potential. With nearly twenty-two million people, it’s the seventh-largest country in the European Union. Driven by the ambition of its people and the EU, Romania’s economy grew rapidly, as Italy’s did in the decades after World War II, until the worldwide recession of 2009.  

We're confident Romania will continue to progress.  Perhaps the most important step Romanians can take to capitalize on their inherent strengths is to recognize them, take hope, and tell the rest of the world! 

When we talk about the people, we think of the future Romania. You know there are many Romanians from the generation of the ’70 – ’80 who decided to try their chance outside the country, while a great number of young and talented people are building the base for an entrepreneurial economy back home. Would you offer a diagnosis as to how Romania’s brain and talent can turn things around inside the country?

Romanians already are turning things around, although it may not feel that way during the recession. 

Economically, Romania's most important strength is the strong capabilities of its people. Part of that strength is their work ethic, which we heard U.S. employers repeatedly praise, and which we have seen in our own investments there since returning to the United States. Part is the strength of Romania’s family values, which leads to much lower rates of crime and drug abuse than we are used to in America. Part is their creativity, which can be seen in their art, their advertising, their software, and unfortunately, on occasion, their computer-hacking. 

But the greatest source of their capabilities is the breadth and depth of their education. Here, to be fair, the Communist period was not all bad. Before Communism, Romania made a major effort to expand literacy as well as to achieve high levels of achievement in higher education. To their credit, the Communists built on that base. They expanded educational access dramatically. Like other Communist societies, they provided an “iron rice bowl” for average people, relieving the pressure on young people, particularly the rural poor, to go to work, and thus allowing larger numbers of children to attend school. Likewise, they created opportunities for the smart, hardworking children of workers and peasants to go to college along with children of the professional classes. 

Now Romania graduates software engineers at a higher rate for its population than the United States does. Dozens and dozens of American and European companies have come to Romania because of readily available engineering skills. For example, Wisconsin Machine Tools bought machine-tool plants in Romania, intending primarily to use Romanians’ manufacturing skills. When they got there, they realized that Romanians also had world-class engineering skills, and began using Romanian engineers. We saw the same thing in the farm machinery, auto, and hydroelectric industries. 

Indeed, there’s almost a happy irony in this: Ceauşescu intended to create a self-sufficient industrial sector, built on the model of the late nineteenth century and early twentieth century. He failed, but in the process, he helped create a skilled, multilingual workforce well-prepared to thrive in this century’s globalized information economy. 

Another example of the economic strength that Romania brings to the new century is the fact that since the Revolution, the number of students in higher education has doubled. Interestingly, that’s not because the government has invested more in higher education—it has not been able to do so. It’s because the culture of education is so strong in Romania that private, tuition-financed universities have been created from scratch in little more than a decade.

We were all looking, after December ’89 for a new feel of Romania, to replace Dracula, Eastern European former communism gloomy heritage, the ambiguity of relations with Hungary in Transylvania. You offer just that! The new Romania’s identity. How would you place Romania on the world map, in the next decade? What is the perspective you offer in terms of geo-political role and diplomatic relations? 

Romania has a more important economic and diplomatic force in the EU and NATO than some westerners realize. 

With nearly 22 million people, Romania has the seventh-largest population in the European Union. Even though it emerged from communism in a deeper hole than almost any other former Soviet satellite, it has come a long way in a relatively short time. It has attracted more than $100 billion in direct foreign investment. For five of the last six years, its growth rate was almost 7%, one of the highest in Europe, East or West. 

In less than two decades, it has become the 11th largest EU country by nominal GDP and eighth largest in purchasing-power-parity terms. Prior to the recession of 2009, it had become the tiger of the Balkans. There's every reason to expect that growth will resume, and Romania will continue its economic progress. 

As a member of NATO, Romania is seen by the U.S. as a valuable ally.  Just days ago, Vice President Biden discussed with President Basescu Romania's plans to contribute additional troops to the NATO effort in Afghanistan, and efforts to deepen military cooperation between our countries. 

 As you know, Mr. Ambassador, you were exceptionally fast adopted by the Romanians, at the time of your assignment. In return, you and Mrs. Sheilah Kast offer a refreshing new book to highlight the most of your relationship with Romania. What are your personal expectations from Romania? How would you like to see our country in relation with the United States and their citizens? 

We saw time and again that when Romanians and Americans engage, they become great friends and good partners.  Our hope is to broaden and deepen those relationships.  

That's why we wrote our book, Dracula Is Dead – so that Americans would get to know the real Romania we experienced, beyond the two-dimensional stereotypes so many Americans hold, limited to Dracula, dictators and orphans.  We hope that will encourage more Americans to visit Romania, and get to know it for themselves. 

Similarly, we'd like to see more Romanians visit the United States. Currently, only visitors from about three dozen countries, primarily Western European ones, could come to the United States without visas. Romania is not one of them. However, because Romania is a member of the European Union, and a key EU principle is the free movement of people, Romanians can travel all over Europe without a visa. 

Our Romanian friends ask us, “Why is it OK for us as Romanians to travel to France, the U.K., and Germany visa-free, but not to the U.S.?”  Good question.

Part of Romanians’ concern about U.S. visas is practical. Thousands of Romanians want to be able to easily visit their new grandchildren, attend college graduations, work with business partners, and study at colleges in the United States, just as they do in Europe. 

But it’s also symbolic and emotional. Romanians do not understand why they are treated differently by their American and European allies—why their soldier sons can lose their lives, as they have, serving beside American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, but can’t visit America. 

It’s a measure of how far Romania has come in twenty years that Romanians are kept out of our country by U.S. visa rules, not Ceauşescu’s border police, who shot those trying to leave the country. 

The difference in visa rules between the U.S. and the EU dramatizes how effective the EU has been in building a real European community, while the United States, all too often, needlessly alienates our friends. From the Romanian point of view, NATO membership is about security—military security and, probably more important, psychological security. This is a dimension that Americans should find easier to understand in the post-9/11 world. Romanians know well that they suffered forty-two years of Communism, not because of a strong indigenous Communist movement, but because Russian tanks “liberated” Romania from the Axis powers at the end of World War II. So whether or not there is likely to be a Russian military threat to Romania in the foreseeable future, or ever, the psychological security that comes from being part of the Western alliance is of enormous importance to Romanians, from the top levels of government to those in the most remote village.

 

ABOUT THE AUTHORS

Sheilah Kast is an award-winning journalist well known to viewers of PBS, ABC, and CNN, and to listeners of NPR. For ABC, she reported on the collapse of Communism from Moscow and Tbilisi and covered Hillary Clinton’s first trip to Eastern Europe. She hosts AARP’s weekly newsmaker cable TV show, Inside E Street, as well as her own daily magazine show on WYPR, the public radio affiliate in Maryland.

Jim Rosapepe represented the United States as ambassador to Romania from 1998 to 2001, bringing to the job experience in American government and business, as well as in the former Communist world. Since returning to Maryland, where he is a state senator, he has served on the boards of various investment funds and companies active in Europe and the former Soviet Union. He has written on economic and security issues for The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The Harvard International Review. Jim and Sheilah have been married for twenty-six years, and live in College Park, Maryland.

DRACULA IS DEAD How Romanians Survived Communism, Ended it, and Emerged since 1989 as the New Italy By Sheilah Kast and Jim Rosapepe Published by Bancroft Press, Publication date: November 9, 2009 www.DraculaIsDead.com

Sandu Crivineanu

Sandu Crivineanu

... "Emerged as the New Italy" ... frumos spus!

(Multumim frumos Mirela si Liviana, pentgru multe materiale superbe pe acest forum ... ;)

Sandu Crivineanu

Sandu Crivineanu

Jim Rosapepe il sfatuieste pe Barack Obama sa aplice modelul din Romania la… Irak si Afganistan:

http://ziarero.realitatea.net/1261605150-Jim_Rosapepe_il_sfatuieste_pe_Barack_Obama_sa_aplice_modelul_din_Romania_la_Irak_si_Afganistan

Intr-un articol publicat de “Washington Times”, Jim Rosapepe si sotia lui, Sheilah Kast, arata ca povestea de succes din Romania se potriveste manusa Irakului si Afganistanului. Inaintea razboiului din Irak, Paul Wolfowitz, adjunctul secretarului american al Apararii de-atunci, a comparat inlaturarea lui Saddam Hussein cu rasturnarea lui Nicolae Ceausescu. Wolfowitz preciza ca Statele Unite nu au invadat Romania, iar Mihail Gorbaciov, ultimul presedinte al URSS, s-a abtinut de la orice interventie militara. Romanii au avut posibilitatea sa se elibereze singuri. S-o mai creada mutu! Noi stim insa ca James Baker, secretarul de stat american din 1989, i-a cerut lui Eduard Sevardnadze, seful diplomatiei sovietice, ca Moscova sa dispuna invadarea Romaniei. Asa scrie Sevardnadze in memoriile lui. Dupa 20 de ani de la inlaturarea atotputernicului Nicolae Ceausescu, Romania nu s-a destramat. A devenit o democratie, cu o poveste economica de succes si membra a Uniunii Europene si a NATO. Domnul Rosapepe considera ca merita reflectat la lectiile oferite de Romania, pe care politica externa a Statelor Unite le-ar putea transpune in Irak si in Afganistan. In 1989, romanii considerau SUA si Europa de Vest modele ale puterii militare, prosperitatii economice si standardelor de moralitate, nu perfecte, dar preferabile celor din lumea sovietica. Este o apreciere corecta si aici.Nationalismul invinge ideologiileIn al doilea rand, de regula, nationalismul invinge ideologiile si, in timp ce in America problema Razboiului Rece s-a pus la modul “Lumea Libera versus comunism”, in Romania a fost “Rusia (Uniunea Sovietica) versus noi (Romania)”. Corect si aici, cu adaugirea necesara ca aceeasi perceptie au avut si polonezii, si balticii, si ucrainenii etc. Ca si in Vietnam, americanii – al caror mit national isi are radacina in ideologie (democratie si libertate), si nu in nationalism – subestimeaza puterea sentimentului nationalist in motivarea popoarelor. Perfect de acord si aici, cu diferenta ca pentru americani motorul ideologiei este PROSPERITATEA. In al treilea rand, construirea unei natiuni si promovarea democratiei nu reprezinta unul si acelasi lucru, iar din acest punct de vedere, spre deosebire de Afganistan, Guvernul postcomunist al Romaniei a avut mai mult decat suficiente capacitati de a administra intreaga tara. De asemenea, spre deosebire de Irak, Romania s-a concentrat pe construirea democratiei, si nu a unui guvern national. Autorii articolului au convingerea ca romanii, la fel ca toate natiunile din sistemul socialist, nu mai vor ca americanii sa plece din tara lor. Ei insista pentru un parteneriat strategic permanent fiindca America a ajutat Romania sa intre in NATO si in UE. Si aceasta evaluare este obiectiva, chiar daca nu este explicata. Deocamdata, tara noastra nu are un partener mai util in regiune. Pe de alta parte, nu se pot compara mecanic tari atat de diferite ca traditie si spiritualitate. De exemplu, in Afganistan, au fost asasinati un senator si 10 deputati in numai patru ani.Inca se mai asteapta un proces al comunismuluiJudecarea rapida a dictatorului Nicolae Ceausescu, in ziua de Craciun a anului 1989, a privat Romania de o examinare colectiva reala a crimelor dictaturii. AFP da ca exemplu destinul disidentului Vasile Paraschiv. “Unde este dreptatea? Astazi, cineva care raneste un pieton este judecat, dar oamenii care m-au maltratat si torturat nu pot fi judecati. Ofiterii Securitatii au pensii astronomice, iar eu traiesc cu 700 de lei pe luna”, spune Vasile Paraschiv, un batran de 81 de ani, care traieste intr-un apartament modest din Ploiesti. S-a inscris in Partidul Comunist din convingere, dar a iesit dezamagit in 1968.A militat pentru organizarea unui sindicat liber si dupa 1980 a fost arestat si torturat. Vasile Paraschiv, teroristii si mortii din decembrie 1989 fac si ei parte din aceeasi “poveste de succes” despre care ambasadorul Rosapepe nu mai aminteste

 

 

Sandu Crivineanu

Sandu Crivineanu

"România a ajuns noua Italie"

http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/881128/quotRomania-a-ajuns-noua-Italiequot/

Wall Street Journal publică astăzi un articol dedicat traziţiei din România, bazat pe o carte scrisă de un fost amabasador al Statelor Unite la Bucureşti şi un jurnalist al ABC News. Soţii James Rosapepe şi Sheilah Kast cred că, la 20 de ani de la căderea lui Ceauşescu, "România a devenit noua Italie". Explicaţiile se leagă de modul în care cele două state au scăpat de dictatori, latinitate, "relaţiile paşnice cu minorităţile şi vecinii", corupţie şi creativitate artistică şi cultură. Rosapepe, în vârstă de 58 de ani, s-a născut pe pământ italian, la Roma."România a parcurs un drum lung într-un timp scurt

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